Nothing of the sort in reality. But here is an educated guess:
The people deemed him as either the Christ or were hoping he would be such.... never anointed though.
A sect leader to a point... because the messiah must never die (just not scriptural), when he did, James took over as sect leader... and his crowd still kept Torah, but with greater zeal and inline with Jesus' personal teaching.
Then an apostate came around, hearing rumors about Jesus, knowing nothing of Jesus/Yeshua.... but trained in goofy philosophies.... deemed Jesus as this stupid logos/demiurge character.... so Jesus BECAME [in Paul's eyes] this pre-existing being that was created as the first of God's works at creation... but he was made with great power so in turn Jesus or this logos created everything else for God, but he himself was not a God. In time, this logos, was born naturally through the natural sperma way (Romans 1:3)... born under the law so he could be counted as worthy and blameless, made atonement for Israel under that system, then rose to usher in a new covenant by abolishing that barrier that separates Jew from Gentile (the law or Torah) and made them both into the "true Israel" based on Faith in God who gave his son as a sacrifice for sin.
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Del Preston responded to me:
logos? I think your confusing John and Paul
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I responded back to Del:
actually Im not....here is what paul writes...
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist," Col 1...
Paul considered him a pre-existing being and a created creature like everyone else below God...
Paul, however, did NOT believe he was God though
Whereas, the Gospel of John takes the logos or demiurge doctrine to another level
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Del Preston writes back:
good point, yet some believe copyists change the nature of Paul’s writings by inserting teachings more palatable. Like Paul saying there is no distinction among humans then later telling women to stay quiet and keep their head covered- in the same letter
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I wrote back to Del:
the entire books of 1 & 2 timothy are.... but then a certain demiurge passage gets changed to "God"
Hold on...
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1 Tim 3:16
King James verses NIV....
NIV follows old texts
KJ
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [[God]] was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
NIV
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: [[He]] appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.
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By me to add to what I said above:
Again, here is what Paul writes...
1 Cor 15
27For he [God] hath put all things under his [Jesus] feet. But when he [God] saith all things are put under him [Jesus], it is manifest [clear or obvious] that he [God] is excepted [or: not included[, which [who] did put all things under him [Jesus].
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him [Jesus], then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him [God] that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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Then I added this too:
Sorry, as a Jew... I really hate Paul. Don't see how a so-called Pharisee could utter the things he did. Just not biblical.
MAREGAAL
2/14/2022
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