Paul believed in the Demiurge

 

In this paper I discuss the personal beliefs of Paul and how he accepted this Demiurge character. This discussion got started after a person slammed me personally on a textual criticism forum.... so the first few original lines is dealing with that, but I chose to delete them here

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The "Jewish" messiah is merely a man, conceived naturally and born naturally. A direct descendant of David, Solomon, Hezekiah and Josiah. He literally conquers the enemies of Israel and all people regardless of them being enemies. So he conquers the world and he is king of the entire globe. His government shall be a theocratic monarchy. The Torah shall be the law code of his kingdom. That is the REAL Jewish messiah myth and legend.

Everything that the New Testament promotes is fake....

1) let's start with the premise... false = for God has no son, thus they are wrong from the get go.
2) he "must" be born in Bethlehem, false... rather his ancestry is from there
3) God contradicts Himself and makes Himself into a hypocrite by suddenly approving of a human sacrifice for sin, False
4) the messiah never dies
5) the messiah never dies in order to make an atonement for sin
6) the messiah ushers in a new covenant so that the Torah is no longer required (this is one of the most egregious ones and so opposite of the messiah myth)
7) the messiah ascends to heaven and will be gone for over 2,000 years before returning, false)

Most non-Jews don't know this. However, because you openly and blindly accept the New Testament as TRUTH or regard it as holding a great swath of truth, it is understandable why you believe the way you do and then apply that thinking on our book.

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Moving on

The  Gospels of Matthew and Luke say he was adopted by a dude named Joseph and that Joseph was of the line of David.

Ahhh, who cares about Joseph, it has nooooo bearing on the lineage of Jesus.

If you watched the video at all.... I point out that ONLY Paul claims something of worthiness,  2 things actually [for historical value]:

1) he was conceived naturally
2) he came from the sperma of David

Read Romans 1:3 clearly and in Greek.

Problem with Paul, he believed in the Demiurge philosophy which was circling around Israel at the time.  Between 50 BCE to 150 CE actually.

Paul then took the extra leap by assuming Jesus WAS this demiurge or logos character.

Thus, making this demigod type of being into flesh; this "craftsman" into flesh. Logos also meant craftsman at the time, not just "word" as you see in English texts in John 1.

So you can write, "In the beginning was the craftsman, and the craftsman was with God..."

This is sooooo foul of a doctrine it is pathetic... later the Gentile church leaders ... changed Jesus from this demiurge to fully God and a part of some Trinity goyish theology. 

You really need to do your homework on the Nicene council and understand Arius.... BECAUSE Arius represented Paul and John 1:1-18 correctly. 

Paul said in Col 1:15-17, that Jesus was a "created" being, created before the heavens and earth were created.

Learn something will you!!!

Col 1:15.... " He is.... the firstborn of every creature"

Lets see...

Firstborn is "prōtotokos / πρωτότοκος" which means....

The first to be born or to come into existence, whether of man, animal or spirits

"Creature" means beast, mankind or anything below God Himself

"Creature" is used in this following verse by Paul no less...

Romans 1:25
"Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

Paul is talking about the golden calf here. So, with Paul's theology, it is very clear Jesus is NOT the God of Israel in any way, shape or form. Rather, he is like a contractor working  for the God of Israel. Jesus being the heavenly craftsman in Paul's thinking

To summarize Paul's thinking in a nutshell:

HaShem told this Demiurge what to do and he did it for Him. In time, this pre-existing "creature" got incarnated in the man Jesus.

Now Paul DOESN'T say "how" this demiurge became flesh: 

Not whether this creature was inserted in the seed of Joseph and so no normal new soul was created. For many believe that the soul is created upon conception. Whereas others claim that all souls were created at the beginning and that they are inserted at conception.

...or whether this creature's spirit merely  rested upon Jesus (like some Ebionites believed, though that doesnt work, just making a point).

Yep, in truth, Paul doesn't get that deep, he just taught Jesus was conceived naturally as we see in Romans 1:3 and at the same time he was this logos.

Do yourself a favor, stop insulting everyone.

Shalom and Good Day,
Maregaal

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Some extra things

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If you want to know what the Jewish messiah is about, then try learning from a Jew that practices Judaism. I dont say this lightly either, but from one that can back up the messiah myth through the Tanach.

Any Judaic Jew knows these teachings

*) Daniel 2, he conquers the world.
*) Micah 5 ancestry is from Bethlehem
*) The Torah is his penal code Deut 17
*) The torah is forever Deut 4:40;
    12:28

Thank you,

Maregaal